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Post by x× | b | r o k e n on Jun 27, 2008 0:20:57 GMT -5
Okay, this is begining to get inbedded deeeper and deeper into my skin, so, I am going to explain myself to the site. So people will just stop already.
My computer SUCKS as it is, and, how do you think word opperates? Now, heh heh, before anything else, NO! no other online spell checkers work EITHER. But, anyway, word sucks for me. I had a HUGE bio written up for Valleydrop, and, I spell cheacked it and, well, what do you know, POOF, it is gone! And it hasn't worked very well since then. It is working now, very slightly, but, do you think I am going to have it up every five minuets to post? HaHa Yaaaaahhh-- No. So, I am sorry, really. It bugs you. But hay! You don't have to live with it! >={
I hate being this ticked, but, I am so mad about the remarks! I will take my bios to my other site and they will cheak it. obviusly, you guys are tired of checking my bios because they have so many errors. And, It makes ME feel sucky. I don't mean to be rude, it is just I type harsh when I am feeling sucky!
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Post by × Vulture × on Jul 1, 2008 21:17:24 GMT -5
I totally agree with you, Swifteh. I don't mean to offend you Hawk, but as the admin you should be preventing these sorts of things; by what she's told me, and I know she wouldn't lie, members of the site are pretty much ganging up on Swifteh and commenting rudely on her spelling. Hardly any of us are master spellers, and the fact that APTD's a literate roleplay is news to me. It seems like her feelings are really getting hurt, and I saw her talking about it in the cbox. NO ONE EVEN FREAKING RESPONDED TO IT! To make a website enjoyable, one of the rules should be to not do things like this to other members, and even though it's the members who are being mean, you should be at least trying to stop it, Hawk. By Moonlight is a wicked cool site with a bunch of literate, awesome roleplayers, and they don't care if someone isn't as good a speller as another person. They treat everyone equally, they don't come down on someone for something as stupid as spelling. Now, I'm not suggesting that APTD isn't a good site - of course it is - but I just think you guys should stop being so mean about Swifteh's spelling.
You're making her feel bad, and you're acting like you don't even care!
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Post by Stardust on Jul 1, 2008 23:36:00 GMT -5
I agree with Vulture, and I am glad that the problem was actually stated, so it can actually be fixed. Instead of it just growing and growing. And you cant say I am lieing, because I got it right from 'The source' And I witnessed it too!!!! Now dont you all go and send her hate PMs, because that just makes it worse. And Hawk I think you should be a little nicer.
And you guys are making her feel way bad, she is even thinking of quiting. You guys are definatly not acting like you care, and it seems like no one cares at all about here, exept Vulture and Me.
~~Fireblood~~
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Post by x× | b | r o k e n on Jul 2, 2008 13:32:55 GMT -5
Thank you guys. I am just, tired of trying to tell people my feelings. Maybe I should leave. No one would care really... maybe you two, but...
[glow=white,9,300]`*`Ghost[/glow]
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Post by × Vulture × on Jul 2, 2008 13:34:57 GMT -5
Oh, hey, Stardust is Calla! Lol.
Yeah, definitely. When I first started writing stories and roleplaying and stuff, I wasn't that good of a speller, and I usually didn't use correct grammar either. The only reason I'm a lot better at spelling now is because I chose to be; I practiced really hard, and after a while it just came naturally. It sounds like Swifteh's spell check systems don't even work, and she's TRYING to improve her spelling. As long as she's trying her best, which she totally is, then you guys should stop ragging on her. :[
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Post by •Hawkeh• on Jul 2, 2008 14:56:29 GMT -5
I know you are probably pretty mad at me, and I (and the Constitution gives you dat right.) but if I don't want fourteen different people asking me to give them a little slack just because I gave it to one person... I smpathize, but I gotta be fair... and the reason we fix bios are because we give sugestions, and I would be glad to help out Swift any way I can, and I have an idea how to help, but I won't post it on here. We spell and Grammer check them (I know it isn't a literate site, but it is a small habit of mine to pe absoultly perfect in writing... I geuss it comes from writing a lot.) for a reason.
No offence Swift, but if you would accept our input and corrections, the bios would be accepted a lot quicker, and don't make the bios so long, or the others are going to not bother to even try to help you fix them. I don't know about anybody else, but I'm sorry I hurt YOUR feelings... but can I make a request, please post only in a cat's Clan territroy... it is a part of the rules... again, sorry if I offended you...
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Post by x× | b | r o k e n on Jul 2, 2008 16:43:03 GMT -5
Nooo, I am mad about the thing other than bios Hawk! The fact that you said it in c-box, and that ppl were bugging me about it in pms!! I am totally fine with bios, as long as it STAYS IN BIOS! Hawk, you were saying how annoying it was that I can't spell in bios, and that it was way to long. "Now I have to do the hard one, Swifttails bio'
That isn't fair to me. I am not trying to get out of spelling, fyi, I just want people to stop bugging me about spelin daffrnty den dem. I don't spell like that, now, do I? Just, I don't want people to talk about my spelling, or, anything else I do wrong on c-box, or, any where! And, if you haven't noticed, I do alot of things wrong. And, you know AS WELL AS I DO that I get annoying, but, I also have feelings...
btw, I don't need to be explained why we check bios, or, that we need perfect spelling... I know that Hawk. I am not stupid. HOMG! You are makeing a request!! omg, Hawk, I only did it once, and, obviusly NO ONE read my post with Oakpaw and just deleted it!! It said he was distracted, and berly crossed the border!!
I DO NOT DO IT ALL THE TIME. I EXPLAINED THAT. I DID IT ONCE HAWK.
I don't think you read everything word for word, becuase, what you posted about, is tottally off subject.
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Post by × Vulture × on Jul 2, 2008 18:01:01 GMT -5
Omg. Hawk, it's GOOD if bios are long. Most literate roleplays want their members to aim for long posts and bios even if they don't require it, so you should be proud that you have a member who does that without being asked - and this isn't even a literate site, but she does it anyway. And Swifteh's right; it's wicked mean that people were talking about it and complaining about her bios and spelling IN THE CBOX, where it's public and anyone can see. That is literally really mean. :[ AND people were sending her hate messages pretty much, and all the while you, the admin, aren't doing anything to stop other members from hurting her feelings. She's not complaining, she's just speaking her mind and letting you know that her feelings are being hurt. Also, I've read through some of the other members' posts - some of them aren't that good spellers either, but it seems like Swifteh's the only one being yelled at about it.
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Post by x× | b | r o k e n on Jul 2, 2008 18:24:35 GMT -5
I agree with that - except, not hate mail. Well, I don't know what hate mail is... but ppl just were saying that it 'bugged them' - It was mainly Hawk jumpleing up a few replys ((No offense)) And I will not say the names just yet, because, it isn't a HUGE deal... just yet.
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Post by •Hawkeh• on Jul 2, 2008 21:31:06 GMT -5
Well I'm sorry. I don't have all the d**n time in the world. I have things I gotta do, so I have very little time to sit and spell check a bio. My dad was getting really pissed, and (no offence) but I didn't want to sit in front of my d**n computer all day and read through long bios I don't like people talking bad about me, but hell, it is a d**n fact of life, and I don't want a d**n apology, but I do care about other people, and I'm being put in a real high stress time of year, so if you guys would just give me an easyier time, I might save a lot of people from leaving the site and maybe even the site itself. And I know that long bios are good, just I have a life away from the computer screen, and my parents tell me that I'm gonna be grounded if I don't spend time outside. Go ahead and talk about me all you want, but that ain't gonna help your bio get accepted any faster. It isn't my fault I'm a perfectionest. Swift or whatever, it was your idea anyway to make the bios flow, and have to do an Rp example for every bio. You can screw all that d**n grammer crap, but just fix the one d**n word. That is all I ask of you... and I even said PLEASE! Now I know that you can spell worth crap, but still I'm sorry. If you really think I'm a bad admin, maybe I should just delete the whole APTD idea...
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Post by × Vulture × on Jul 3, 2008 3:10:01 GMT -5
Hawk, you're jumping to all the wrong conclusions - you're being way overly-sensitive. We are NOT calling you a bad admin, we are NOT saying that you have to spend every waking minute spell-checking bios, and we are NOT the ones being mean either! I'm not necessarily saying that you're being mean in particular, even though it is pretty bad that you and the other members were talking about it in the cbox, which makes it public. =[
But okay, the only thing that's really annoying me that I want you to understand is that Swifteh is NOT trying to make you "give her some slack" - she's made it clear that she isn't trying to get her bios accepted more easily. She even said that this has nothing to do with bios! All she wants people to know is that her feelings are being hurt and even though it's your job to correct her mistakes, you shouldn't be doing it OUTSIDE of bios and then making her feel bad about it. That's it, that's all, it does not involve bios. I think the only reason she's frustrated - and so am I - is because no one besides me and Stardust are even considering her feelings. We're the only ones acting like we care.
But trust me, we are not saying you're a bad admin. That has nothing to do with this. For instance, a quote that Swifteh already put in one of her posts: "Now I have to do the hard one, Swifttail's bio." THAT is the stuff she's talking about.
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Post by x× | b | r o k e n on Jul 3, 2008 18:20:45 GMT -5
Yah, hawk, we are not saying that. And, I am your friend, don't you dare tell me I am lieing. REMEBER! WCv4, I talked to you, in PMs, and we became friends on there! I am not trying to hurt your feelings. My feelings were hurt, and that has happened ALL my life. Ask Star. I was trying to step up for myself and not be pushed around for once.People were sending me messages in PMs ((Not in da bios, this has nothing to do with bios at all. At all)) To spell better. NOT in bios, in like, posts. Here, I don't mean to sell people out, but this problem needs to be solved. I cut all the personal stuff out of this PM, but, this was about Role Playing. And I got stuff like this sent to me! I am not calling anyone out! That means you Hawk BIOS ARE NOT IN THIS DISCUSSION! See? Even Vulture stated it. I am not talking behind your back at all if that is what you are implying! And, This? I Am your friend! I did not mean to affed you. There was nothing there to, or that was MEANT to affend you! I NEVER MEANT TO!!! Now... If you are saying that I am not your friend now... then... Well my feelings are hurt even more. I have always been your friend, and I have never pretended to be. Just because your an admin, well, I hate people who do that JUST because they are an admin. Hello? I am a site admin, Vulure is, Light of the sea is, SO IS STAR! I love all my friends like siblings... And I am sorry I am not there for you right at the moment to give you a hug. And... You know what? I am moveing too. Most of my friends are moveing away from me. I feel very alone, when there are so many people surrounding me. I am moveing to a garage!! Okay? And, the last thing I need is people getting on my back about spelling. AND FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME... IT IS NOT IN BIOS OKAY!?Please don't delete the site. I was just getting fed up with people saying my spelling was crap, which it is!! I have to stof yypeing now, becausr i am litrally at the point of tears... Not because I am mad... Because I am FED UP with all the dramma because I was just trying to get people to STOP saying I spell like CRAP WHEN I KNOW THAT!! [/quote]
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Post by .Aster. on Jul 3, 2008 19:30:10 GMT -5
I can't help feeling like I'm pouring oil on a fire, but Ghosteh asked me to step in. Alright, Hawk. Chill out. Being an admin is tough, I know. Not everyone is cut out for it, okay? But if you're willing to give up right now and delete your site just over something as silly as a spelling fight, then maybe this site really isn't worth that much to you. Now, you're not the bad guy here, I can tell. None of you are. We all go through tough times and end up taking our anger out on other people. Heck, we girls go through that stuff once a month. You and the people around you need to learn how to deal with your anger. Me personally, I read the Bible when I'm angry. Some people like to roleplay with their angrier characters. It's just a way to vent, and we all need to do it, but not in a damaging way. And yes, cursing at people is a damaging way to vent. The way I see it, few mistakes were made on your part, Hawk. Firstly, not telling people to cut it out when they were picking on one of your members. You are staff. That's your job. No one can say you were being a bad person just for standing up for someone. That would be silly. Secondly, telling Ghosteh to make her bios shorter. Um, hello? That's just absurd. Encourage people to grow into better roleplayers, to write longer bios, to enrich their vocabulary! And if you think her bios are long, then I probably should never submit one of my bios here. xD Thirdly, it sounds like you're overworking yourself. If you have stuff to do outside of this site, that's fine. Infact, it's more than fine, it's great! From how it sounds, you have a great team of staffers who'd be more than willing to share in the responsibility. Alright, I'll admit, it's not the easiest thing in the world to do. Giving up bits and pieces of the site make you feel like you don't own it anymore. Like they could just run the site without you. It took me a while to realize that that's not true. A lot of people I'm friends with on the sites I run. Do you know what it's like to lose a friend? A lot of people look to me for support or guidance. Maybe they could continue on without me, but they don't have to. As long as you're there for your site in the way that I am for mine, then you'll always be needed. Ghosteh, I can see that you're trying really hard to improve your spelling, and I applaud you on that. If you can't think of how to spell a word, though, you could try entering it into an online dictionary. It'll come up with a "did you mean..." statement, and you can pick the one that looks right. That's how I usually do it. The rest of you members: [because this applies to you too] Hate Mail is bad. Not even hate mail, really, but massive hoardes of pms all saying the same thing are equally as bad. That's called spam, I think. Treat others as you would like to be treated. Be polite to other members! In a a way, people on a site can be as close as a second family. Achieving that is not always so easy, I'll admit, but it makes everyone so much happier, and it makes the site so much more fun to be on. If you think a member needs to fix something, offer them help, don't say "fix it please, it's bugging me!" Ghost has explained about the lack of a spellchecker, so try and think of a way around it, like I did in suggesting the dictionary thing. Sure, it's not like she'll enter every single word in the dictionary, but ones that "look" wrong will get fixed quickly. And there's nothing that teaches better than good old-fashioned practice. Eventually, good spelling will become second nature, although there's always the off chance of a typo or misspelling. Rather than criticizing members that don't meet your standards, try and expand your horizons. Invite those members in, and take a particular interest in helping them improve. Just as I told Hawk earlier, you can't do it all alone. Try a Welcoming Committee so that you aren't overwhelmed with responsibility. How do you think v4 got so many members? Well, I think that's just about it. Oh wait, one last question. If Hawk said: "I know it isn't a literate site", then why is everyone making such a huge deal about spelling? I kinda lost you on that part...
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Post by x× | b | r o k e n on Jul 3, 2008 20:19:09 GMT -5
Oh, thank you so much Aster! I can never repay you. I can never, never repay you.
-iz blown away- Wow. After reading that.... I forgot what I was mad about, and feel remorsful about my posts <3 In a good way. Oh wait... that looks wrong... remorseful... Eh! It worked!
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Post by •Hawkeh• on Jul 3, 2008 21:15:15 GMT -5
I geuss your right, Aster... and the rest of you. The only thing is... when I said that, I did that with my dad telling me that I had to get off the computer I was in the middle or starting to/of correct/correcting da bio.
I geuss I kinda overreacted. I just saw a little bit on the c-box about Ghosteh thinking that I was expecting an apolgy. I geuss there are things that make us all humen. I over react sometimes... Ghosteh can't spell...
And Aster, your right, long bios and rps are good, but I geuss it was my fault, because I hadn't seen such a long bio in a really long time, but that also helped me reilze something... sometimes, if you use a form format to create every bio, it can get pretty hard. I don't care if you don't know what I mean, you'll see soon enough.
I think my mad rant was due to the apnicsphiric ((I seriously don't know how to spell the word)) chages and the thunderstorms that were rolling through my area.
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Post by x× | b | r o k e n on Jul 3, 2008 21:33:05 GMT -5
-sighs- Okay. Yah, I figured that. I just felt kinda bad about that too so I added that to kinda, emphisize my poiunt... but, yah. I probably shouldn't have added that... I feel bad now >.<
But, what I said on my post Hawk? I meant. You are my friend... No matter what you might think, and, no matter what, I always will be. That goes for everyone too. [[Thank you Star and Tigereh!]]
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Post by .Aster. on Jul 3, 2008 23:02:01 GMT -5
Atmospheric, I think is what you meant, Hawkeh. [[Just trying to be helpful!]]
And there's always lots of causes to those explosions we all have. Sometimes it's just the straw that broke the camel's back, neh?
I'm so glad you guys were able to work this out! -hugs-
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Post by x× | b | r o k e n on Jul 3, 2008 23:33:49 GMT -5
-hugs back- It is aqll thanks to you! <3
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Post by × Vulture × on Jul 5, 2008 0:47:39 GMT -5
Wow, thanks Aster. You're much better at straightening things out than we are. Haha. I'm glad things are okay now. =)
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